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		<title>Reaching for understanding: Robert Penn Warren&#8217;s “Globe of Gneiss”</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mary Lupin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I first read “Globe of Gneiss” my reaction was that I liked it but didn&#8217;t agree with it. I came to it with a strong positive attitude toward Penn Warren because of his book Democracy and Poetry. He is a thoughtful man, one who both writes and thinks well. There were a number of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first read “Globe of Gneiss” my reaction was that I liked it but didn&#8217;t agree with it. I came to it with a strong positive attitude toward Penn Warren because of his book <em>Democracy and Poetry</em>. He is a thoughtful man, one who both writes and thinks well. There were a number of things I disagreed with in <em>Democracy and Poetry</em> but I liked it because its overall compassionate tone and lucid presentation. I require that in writing if I am going to put much stock in what the author is trying to tell me about what it means to be human.</p>
<p>I found Penn Warren&#8217;s poetry has just such a combination. Still, figuring out what a poem means requires (for me) a great deal of effort. My experience of it, my delight in the tension of his line breaks, and the wonderful phrase “night wind nightlong,” reaches into my own experience of the alternate jerkiness and grace of time passing but Penn Warren is very different from me so my experience alone cannot tell me what the poem “means” because meaning is a shared event.<br /><span id="more-389"></span></p>
<p>With poetry (at least I think so), meaning comes from either sharing it directly with other readers, talking about it, or watching others react to its reading, for example; meaning can come from trying to understand the author, who is simultaneously another reader and the mind which used those words, those cadences, those spaces to express something of his experience – that moment of being human; and meaning comes from treating poems as one would do a person and “reading” one poem against another, just as one asks all ones&#8217; friends what honour means when trying to make an honourable (but potentially dangerous) decision.</p>
<p>Still, reading a poem, as in any experience, starts with that which has become personal knowledge. For me on reading “Globe of Gneiss,” those things were time, memory and perception. Of course, these are quite like my own preoccupations, so that probably explains why I liked it so much in the first place. Like anyone else, I like reading about what interests me already. And of course that rings a little warning bell – is that what the poem is really about? Did I just see it there because that is what interests me? And so I am off and running – trying to understand what the poem means.</p>
<p>My first step was to begin rereading <em>Democracy and Poetry</em>. It seemed to me that the poem was talking in part about the experience of time for two kinds of beings, one human, with a short life span and a rock, with an enormous grip on time. Probably more importantly, the poem is about the consequences of that perception on behaviour and feeling. The rock because of its experiences of “unspeakable pressure” has become “harder than steel” and yet is able to stay “poised&#8230;in balanced perfection.” The man, in contrast to this, shifts attitude in the space of the poem from a callow kind of young man who tries to destroy the rock’s balance through main force and the kind of man who visits the rock to watch lichen creep “like Time” up the its face. The transition seems to me to show that the man learns from the rock’s vaster perception and as a consequence begins to question his own grasp on history and its human face, memory. In other words, he begins to suffer his own “unspeakable pressure,” the one that comes from dawning self awareness and the awareness of the existence of others.</p>
<p>This sense that others (even if they are rocks) actually exist is what Penn Warren means when he talks about community as opposed to society in <em>Democracy and Poetry</em>. Society for him is something akin to an ordered group of people. Community really talks about the relationships that link the people together. Another key concept in the book is that of the self.</p>
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<p>It seems to me that this definition must be understood to grasp what the poem is saying.</p>
<p>I’ll keep going for ages yet, but I won’t bore you with it. But there it is, my process.</p>
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		<title>Poems about rocks</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mary Lupin</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve read Robert Penn Warren&#8217;s Democracy and Poetry but until yesterday I had never read any of his poetry.  When I opened his book Being Here: Poetry 1977-1980 the first poem to come to my attention was &#8220;Globe of Gneiss.&#8221; I love rocks. So this became the first poem of his I read. Here it is: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Robert Penn Warren&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Democracy-Poetry-Robert-Penn-Warren/dp/0674196252/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1249832481&amp;sr=8-4" target="_blank"><em>Democracy and Poetry</em></a><em> </em>but until yesterday I had never read any of his poetry.  When I opened his book <em><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Being-Here-Robert-Penn-Warren/dp/0394513045/ref=sr_1_46?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1249833852&amp;sr=1-46" target="_blank">Being Here: Poetry 1977-1980</a> </em>the first poem to come to my attention was &#8220;Globe of Gneiss.&#8221; I love rocks. So this became the first poem of his I read.</p>
<p>Here it is:</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">How heavy is it? fifteen tons? Thirty? More?&#8211;</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The great globe of gneiss, poised, it would seem, by</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">A hair&#8217;s weight, there on the granite ledge. Stop!</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Don’t go near! Or only on tiptoe. Don’t,</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">For God’s sake, be the fool I once was, who</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Went up and pushed. Pushed with all strength,</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Expecting the great globe to go</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Hurtling like God’s wrath to crush</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Spruces and pines down the cliff, at least</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Three hundred yards down to the black lake the last</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Glacier to live in Vermont had left to await</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Its monstrous plunge.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I pushed. It was like trying</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">To push a mountain. It</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Had lived through so much, the incessant</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Shove, like a shoulder, of north wind nightlong,</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The ice-pry and lever beneath, the infinitesimal</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Decay of ledge-edge. Suddenly,</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I leaped back in terror.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Suppose!</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">So some days I now go again to see</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Lichen creep slow up that</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Round massiveness. It creeps</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Like Time, and I sit and wonder how long</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Since that gneiss, deep in earth,</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">In a mountain’s womb, under</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Unspeakable pressure, in total</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Darkness, in unmeasurable</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Heat, had been converted</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">From simple granite, striped now with something</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Like glass, harder</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Than steel, and I wonder</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">How long ago, and how, the glacier had found it.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">How long and how it had trundled</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The great chunk to globe-shape.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Then poised it on ledge-edge, in balanced perfection.</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Sun sets. It is a long way</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Down, the way darkening. I</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Think how long my afternoon</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Had seemed. How long</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Will the night be?</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">But how short that time for the great glove</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">To remember so much!</p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"> </p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">How much will I remember tonight?</p>
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